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INTERVIEW
Brent Scowcroft Interviewed by Brit Hume
Fox News: Special Report with Brit Hume
September 17, 2001
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BRIT HUME: President Bush met each day with
his national security team and repeatedly declared that what had
happened would not stand. He made one man the focus of his
efforts. And he reached out around the world for help in opposing
him.
He mobilized American forces, calling up reserves, and getting a
resolution from Congress to authorize the use of force. That may
sound like 2001. But it also describes the events of 10 years ago,
the prelude to the Persian Gulf War. I'm joined now by a man who
was in the midst of that in every meeting at the president's side.
He is retired Air Force General Brent Scowcroft, the first
President Bush's nation security adviser.
Welcome, sir.
BRENT SCOWCROFT, FORMER NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER: Nice to be with
you, Brit….
HUME: Now, the president has suggested that this is -- they've
been able to attack us on our territory, and we've been in the
defensive posture, therefore, that we need to move against them in
their regions, and, therefore, keep them on the run. Is that
likely to be true almost in perpetuity here as we struggle with
terrorism?
SCOWCROFT: It's -- perpetuity is a long time.
HUME: That is a long time.
SCOWCROFT: But it will likely be true for some time, yes, for some
years. I mean, we've never been completely free of terrorism of
one sort or another.
HUME: Now, you know how it is in the immediate atmosphere of this
in a media atmosphere and with public discussion. You're hearing
all kinds of attacks. Well, one, it might come next week. It could
come in a matter of days and so forth.
SCOWCROFT: That's right.
HUME: Would you be inclined to discount that?
SCOWCROFT: Yes. I think, probably, this attack has spent itself.
There may still be some teams out that didn't get their airplanes
or so on and so forth. But I think the instructions probably are
calm down now. You know, we've done the aircraft bit. Now we'll
turn to something else because...
HUME: Right. What about our response? You keep hearing predictions
that we're going to be doing something imminently. Now, I know
you're not on the inside -- I'm not therefore asking you for a
secret here -- but don't these things tend, at least in my memory,
to take a lot longer than expected, as a rule?
SCOWCROFT: Yes.
Imminently, again, is -- I think it's a matter of probably of
weeks, rather than days. First of all, you've got to decide what
it is you're going to do, and whether what you're going to do will
have the effect you want it to have.
When President Clinton was faced with the bombing of the embassies
in Africa, we attacked a pharmaceutical plant in Sudan and we
attacked an Osama bin Laden camp in Afghanistan. The camp was
empty. The pharmaceutical plant turned out to be just a
pharmaceutical plant. The effect: We looked weak. We looked like
we don't know what we're doing.
So you've got to make sure that what you do has the effect that
you want it to have.
HUME: Now, is it important, in real terms -- not in political
terms - - but in real terms, that there be some early action on
our part here, even if preliminary action?
SCOWCROFT: I don't know that there is in real terms. There
certainly is in political terms. The president has to appear to be
in charge. He has to appear to be responding. And the more nothing
happens, people say: Well, he's wavering. He's lost his nerve.
And he loses the leadership position, which I think the president
has now established quite well. So he needs to -- he needs to keep
that up, but...
HUME: So even his national security
advisers, wary of the fact that his political standing affects his
ability to do the serious, long-term job, may be trying to get him
some options for something he could do early?
SCOWCROFT: Well, I think -- you know, you want to do it as early
as you can and do the right thing.
HUME: So you're looking for something that's useful to do and
something you can do early?
SCOWCROFT: Absolutely. And Osama bin Laden is probably the right
place to start. But you got to find him first.
HUME: Right. Does it have to be him or could it be...
SCOWCROFT: Well, it doesn't have to be, but you have to do
discernible -- something discernible. And cruise missiles, bombs
from 30,000 feet aren't going to do it.
HUME: So if you were a military planner, you would be looking for
some -- we have to be thinking about some kind of special forces
operation?
SCOWCROFT: That's what I would be looking for, yes.
HUME: And based on what you have recalled about what -- you know,
what kind of states of play in that part of the world, is this the
worst place we could be going to try to do this -- the hardest?
SCOWCROFT: It is pretty hard. Afghanistan is wild country. It is
landlocked. They're only a couple of ways that we can reasonably
expect to get in, get permission. And the main one, of course, is
across Pakistan. This is not an easy job, even if you can find
him.
HUME: And, of course, we're talking about an easy short-term job.
Is the overall long-term objective a brighter picture -- last
question?
SCOWCROFT: Yes. But it will take time and it will take patience.
But if we can keep our friends and allies with us, supporting us
with their own intelligence, with people who are willing to help,
we can do it.
HUME: General Scowcroft, great to have you. Thanks for being here.
SCOWCROFT: Nice to be
with you, Brit.
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